Topic: Reducing soldier strength parameter space (for easier comparison).

vs.	bar_00	emp_00	atl_00	fri_00	bar_10	emp_10	atl_10	fri_10
bar_00	56.8%	41.8%	31.6%	62.4%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
emp_00	70.6%	55.8%	43.2%	70.2%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
atl_00	78.5%	67.9%	55.7%	75.3%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
fri_00	51.4%	41.9%	36.3%	57.5%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
bar_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	54.0%	52.3%	50.5%	66.2%
emp_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	55.3%	53.4%	49.1%	74.1%
atl_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	56.8%	57.5%	53.1%	77.5%
fri_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	45.7%	35.3%	31.3%	62.5%

Yes, Frisians are a bit unbalanced. They are quite weak in comparison with other tribes. Level10 soldiers: when they attack they have 31-45% of chances for winning, and when they defend they have 23-34% of chances to defend. That is quite low.

Level0 soldiers can be a bit unbalanced since the costs for low-level soldiers differs between tribes.

Also thank you for using the program! You're the first one who use it, except me .

einstein13
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Which program did you use? I took https://github.com/einstein13/wl_soldiers and adjusted the numbers in stats.py according to the values in trunk. There were some changes made december 17 which should boost Barbarians according to the commit message but boosted atlanteans instead.
Not sure if this was intentional or mistake.

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Ok... Where can I find the correct values of stats? The Widelands code itself? I will update the stats in both my official programs.

einstein13
calculations & maps packages: http://wuatek.no-ip.org/~rak/widelands/
backup website files: http://kartezjusz.ddns.net/upload/widelands/

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WorldSavior wrote:

@hessenfarmer: I cannot confirm the values. Another program of Einstein tells me that Frisian10s are balanced in fights against Barbarian10s, but Atl10s and Emp10s have approximately 66% win chances against Fri10s, and Fri0s are approximately as strong as Atl0s.

you are right there was still an error in the stats (100 -35 is NOT 75 ;-))

the real values are

although these values might differ by 1 or 2 % due to the limited statistical database (10000 fights)

I have redone the same thing in an excel spreadshet using VBA and it delivers comparable values. I will upload it to the frisian balancing bug on launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/widelands/+bug/1765746)

sorry for the trouble.

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hessenfarmer wrote:

WorldSavior wrote:

@hessenfarmer: I cannot confirm the values. Another program of Einstein tells me that Frisian10s are balanced in fights against Barbarian10s, but Atl10s and Emp10s have approximately 66% win chances against Fri10s, and Fri0s are approximately as strong as Atl0s.

you are right there was still an error in the stats (100 -35 is NOT 75 ;-))

Ok

the real values are

vs.	bar_00	emp_00	atl_00	fri_00	bar_10	emp_10	atl_10	fri_10
bar_00	56.8%	41.9%	31.8%	38.9%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
emp_00	70.1%	56.1%	42.9%	47.3%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
atl_00	78.4%	67.9%	55.9%	53.2%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
fri_00	71.6%	63.7%	57.8%	55.5%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.0%
bar_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	54.1%	52.5%	50.4%	53.1%
emp_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	55.3%	53.3%	49.2%	62.6%
atl_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	56.7%	57.2%	53.3%	66.2%
fri_10	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	100.0%	57.4%	47.1%	42.6%	58.7%

although these values might differ by 1 or 2 % due to the limited statistical database (10000 fights)

This looks correct now. Unfortunately the values of Fri10 are not like they were supposed to be and as I said I think that they are so unbalanced that the Fri10 need an improvement.

sorry for the trouble.

No problem!

Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked

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