Topic: Tempo Training Tournament

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hessenfarmer Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16 Posts: 2745 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 16:22 next attempt on empire with amazons6762: 37:50 Attachment: speed_tournament_empire_3750.wgf (138.9 KB) Top Quote

hessenfarmer Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16 Posts: 2745 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 16:26 replay is not complete as i had to reload Attachment: speed_empire.zip (956.4 KB) Top Quote

king_of_nowhere Joined: 2014-09-15, 18:35 Posts: 1668 One Elder of Players	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 18:42 the-x wrote: 19:16 - Atlantean Hero on Escher Goese Fish, Full Hero but hunter didnt hunt and so 2 meat missing for the last 2 upgrades (add 2x18) what does this mean? did you got a full hero, or did you miss 2 upgrades? the-x wrote: Wow, if that keeps on going like that i should have my next hero in 9 min there are hard limits one cannot bypass. first of all the labirinth needs to be made. it takes some time it cannot be shortened. then a soldier must get in and get 5 promotions, and again this time cannot be shortened. then the soldier must move into the dungeon and get 4 promotions, and once more this time cannot be shortened. All those times combined are around 15 minutes. add a bit of time because the soldier has to physically move there, and the wares have to be moved in (it takes no less than 30 seconds from the time the labirinth is made to the time it can possibly recieve food enough to start training, for example), and you see that it's not possible to shave much below 20 minutes. 19 minutes are certainly possible, in theory (could be a target for wcs), but 18 are already probably below the limit. do notice that if you had had the food for training, your 19:16 missing 2 promotions would have still become over 20 because the training takes time. Top Quote

WorldSavior Topic Opener Joined: 2016-10-15, 04:10 Posts: 2125 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 20:56 niektory wrote: WorldSavior wrote: Edit: New point system: You can get points for every category where you participate. To calculate your points, we call the number of the participants in the category with the most participants "n", and your rank in the category "m". For every category you will receive n-m+1 points then and all of your points will be added up. There will be a final ranking of the tournament then - where the participants are sorted descending by their points, and if several players have the same amount of points, they will be sorted ascending by their best times. Too complicated? Ask me for examples I have one nitpick. "Their best times" is going to be equivalent to "their Atlanteans times" in almost all cases How about using an average (arithmetic mean) of their times instead for the tiebreaker? Good idea, I can imagine to change the rules accordingly. Or is someone against it? Best time would be second tiebreaker. the-x wrote: kaputtnik wrote: WorldSavior wrote: the-x wrote: do we all upload then we can copy, or dont we till the end of Tournamenet? I'd upload at the end of the tournament. If not, my playstyle could be copied... Well, thats valid, but you can at least post some times, although i think no one can beat you Without posting times this tournament get boring. My experience is that the tournament doesn't get boring before you reach your limit with every tribe Or you mean boring for the spectators? Well, currently some participants are still uploading, so it doesn't get boring Or is it? Can you post at least your first tries when you tried to built a hero in time? I might be able, but I don't want to niektory wrote: the-x wrote: Let us all agree to upload now so everyone can see? Else ill also play the perfect strategy and wait till short before midnight. ;D I'm afraid there is a fatal flaw in your perfect strategy hessenfarmer wrote: replay is not complete as i had to reload But there must be another part somewhere? Why don't you share it? king_of_nowhere wrote: but the fact that it is possible to get a hero in 25 minutes but even in competitive games it is rarely done before 50 minutes should make it clear that no, micromanaging a hero fast is not the only priority in this game. True! Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

the-x Joined: 2019-01-19, 13:23 Posts: 967 One Elder of Players	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 21:01 king_of_nowhere wrote: the-x wrote: 19:16 - Atlantean Hero on Escher Goese Fish, Full Hero but hunter didnt hunt and so 2 meat missing for the last 2 upgrades (add 2x18) what does this mean? did you got a full hero, or did you miss 2 upgrades? the-x wrote: Wow, if that keeps on going like that i should have my next hero in 9 min there are hard limits one cannot bypass. first of all the labirinth needs to be made. it takes some time it cannot be shortened. then a soldier must get in and get 5 promotions, and again this time cannot be shortened. then the soldier must move into the dungeon and get 4 promotions, and once more this time cannot be shortened. All those times combined are around 15 minutes. add a bit of time because the soldier has to physically move there, and the wares have to be moved in (it takes no less than 30 seconds from the time the labirinth is made to the time it can possibly recieve food enough to start training, for example), and you see that it's not possible to shave much below 20 minutes. 19 minutes are certainly possible, in theory (could be a target for wcs), but 18 are already probably below the limit. This is really funny, cause 19 minutes has already been my second try (add the 20 or so seconds for the 2 missing upgrades). So I must have played almost perfectly without knowing Surely the hard limit is not 9 or something like that, but i guess if we keep optimzing it till the end of tournament with some tries we can make it in 17:59 or 18:19 or something like that do notice that if you had had the food for training, your 19:16 missing 2 promotions would have still become over 20 because the training takes time. Yes, thats absolutely right, this is why this try cant be counted yet. Top Quote

hessenfarmer Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16 Posts: 2745 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 21:18 WorldSavior wrote: hessenfarmer wrote: replay is not complete as i had to reload But there must be another part somewhere? Why don't you share it? because I don't know which one is it I just needed to reload from an automatic save from an intermediate attempt. If you really insist I'll go and search for it. Although it might run further then the time the new repaly starts. Top Quote

king_of_nowhere Joined: 2014-09-15, 18:35 Posts: 1668 One Elder of Players	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 21:32 38:29 with amazon. build amazon 6762. I'm sure that time can be improved significantly. but the major limiting factor is rare woods. and to get more rare woods you need to make some forester to xp, so you can have the master planter or however it was called. so, there is this hard limit to how much rare woods you can get early in the game. Attachment: KoN amazon hero 3829.wgf (145.7 KB) Top Quote

hessenfarmer Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16 Posts: 2745 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 21:38 hessenfarmer wrote: WorldSavior wrote: hessenfarmer wrote: replay is not complete as i had to reload But there must be another part somewhere? Why don't you share it? because I don't know which one is it I just needed to reload from an automatic save from an intermediate attempt. If you really insist I'll go and search for it. Although it might run further then the time the new repaly starts. OK found it watch this one until 09:05 then switch to the previously provided. Attachment: speed_empire_first.zip (42.9 KB) Top Quote

WorldSavior Topic Opener Joined: 2016-10-15, 04:10 Posts: 2125 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2020-04-11, 23:42 hessenfarmer wrote: hessenfarmer wrote: WorldSavior wrote: hessenfarmer wrote: replay is not complete as i had to reload But there must be another part somewhere? Why don't you share it? because I don't know which one is it I just needed to reload from an automatic save from an intermediate attempt. If you really insist I'll go and search for it. Although it might run further then the time the new repaly starts. OK found it watch this one until 09:05 then switch to the previously provided. Okay... But it cannot be watched. Do you know why? When I try to watch, it says "the replay has ended" immediately... Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

hessenfarmer Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16 Posts: 2745 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria	Posted at: 2020-04-12, 12:04 WorldSavior wrote: hessenfarmer wrote: hessenfarmer wrote: WorldSavior wrote: hessenfarmer wrote: replay is not complete as i had to reload But there must be another part somewhere? Why don't you share it? because I don't know which one is it I just needed to reload from an automatic save from an intermediate attempt. If you really insist I'll go and search for it. Although it might run further then the time the new repaly starts. OK found it watch this one until 09:05 then switch to the previously provided. Okay... But it cannot be watched. Do you know why? When I try to watch, it says "the replay has ended" immediately... AAAAhhh. This was fingertrouble on my side. I identified the correct replay in the game and failed to proper select the files in the file explorer. This should be the correct one. Attachment: speed_empire_first.zip (297.1 KB) Top Quote

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