Topic: Bugs between build20 and build21

Hint: It also doesn't matter if the worker gets quickly replaced by another one - this action doesn't improve the working speed of the building.

WorldSavior wrote:

hessenfarmer wrote:

Regarding the training system which one do you mean and what are the exact critics in it. I was not sure about this but I couldn't express why.

I might collect the points soon and list them in the bug thread

I haven't collected all disadvantages know but big disadvantages are:

• if you kick a half trained soldier out a trainingssite, he might walk immediatly walk in again instead of being replaced
• increasing capacity in the building will not achieve that soldiers walk there immediately, what they should.
• edit: After being kicked out, the soldiers might return to the trainingssite later. Very annoying if you want to train soldiers only partly.

Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked

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WorldSavior wrote:

• increasing capacity in the building will not achieve that soldiers walk there immediately, what they should.

Tell more. If there are free soldiers in the economy, this should happen. The trainingsite soldier selection was changed just before the build-21 freeze. Generally, the site became pickier which shows especially if there is a shortage of unoccupied soldiers .

• edit: After being kicked out, the soldiers might return to the trainingssite later. Very annoying if you want to train soldiers only partly.

If you do not want some training step to happen: Reduce the wares so that that training step cannot happen (as in golden shield capacity to zero). The soldiers will start leaving when when that step repeatedly fails, and do not come back (unless nobody shows up, after which the restriction lifts). Manually removing soldiers do not have that effect.

Currently, the soldiers do not have names (or serial numbers) so that it would be impossible to prevent that particular instance from re-appearing. Also the current mechanism to call for soldiers cannot say that this-and-that guy are not welcome, selection can only happen by training level.

Nordfriese wrote:

When exactly is partial training better than full training? We have an open bug for b22 about giving the player more control, but for now the algorithm tries to find the most suited soldier so you can get heroes faster.

If only everybody agreed on how it should work, the rest would be easy.

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JanO wrote:

I mean, if the site sends requests for soldiers with attack lvl2 but weapons for attack lvl3 are (set to) zero... this will not be very efficient.

No, it isn't. Should it?

On top of that, sometimes the algorithm seems to get stuck, like in this triangular ware-routing bug that was investigated some time ago. I figured out the behaviour once, but I forgot again and sadly at the moment I'm not able to put it into words.

If you find some words later, I read with great interest.

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JanO wrote:

I guess that WorldSaviour does know that workaround for his problem with partial training.

I didn't, but I don't like that workaround anyway, I've already found a better one

For the other one, that soldiers should be send to military sites immediately if the number is increased: I don't know if this is what WorldSaviour addresses to, but as long as there are soldiers on their way toward the site that are send by the automatic exchange (prefer rookies or prefer heroes), the manually triggered requests are put into queue. One can kick out soldiers whenever one likes to, but requests are often delayed.

I was talking about trainingssites, not militarysites. Have milsites a new algorithm, too?

teppo wrote:

WorldSavior wrote:

• increasing capacity in the building will not achieve that soldiers walk there immediately, what they should.

Tell more. If there are free soldiers in the economy, this should happen.

It takes a lot of time until soldiers finally walk in. Didn't measure it but the time should be very short.

• edit: After being kicked out, the soldiers might return to the trainingssite later. Very annoying if you want to train soldiers only partly.

If you do not want some training step to happen: Reduce the wares so that that training step cannot happen (as in golden shield capacity to zero). The soldiers will start leaving when when that step repeatedly fails, and do not come back (unless nobody shows up, after which the restriction lifts). Manually removing soldiers do not have that effect.

But then I have to wait a lot of time until the soldiers go away. Thanks for the tip nevertheless.

Currently, the soldiers do not have names (or serial numbers) so that it would be impossible to prevent that particular instance from re-appearing. Also the current mechanism to call for soldiers cannot say that this-and-that guy are not welcome, selection can only happen by training level.

Before the new algorithm, soldiers were prevented from re-appearing in most situations. Simply because the free slots have been filled immediately with new requests, which was faster than the soldier who walked to the flag.

Nordfriese wrote:

When exactly is partial training better than full training?

For example on small maps where you don't have time for full training. Or if now gold is available. Or simply because you like to ; )

If only everybody agreed on how it should work, the rest would be easy.

What about reducing the "waiting time before the free slots get filled" to 1 second?

Nordfriese wrote:

Which version exactly?

bzr 9296 (may 6th) but also some 7000ish master/ama. Hast it been changed several times?

increasing capacity in the building will not achieve that soldiers walk there immediately, what they should.

They do so after a brief delay which is necessary to look for the most suited soldier to send

Does it really need to be that long instead of 1s?

Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked

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bzr 9296 (may 6th) but also some 7000ish master/ama. Hast it been changed several times?

There was a major bugfix in bzr9306

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