Topic: discovery starting condition
OIPUN
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Joined: 2020-11-17, 09:34
Posts: 175  At home in WL-forums Location: Czech |
Posted at: 2021-02-12, 14:23
I would suggest doing some changes to make the discovery starting condition more playable. Please find the saved game attached. There is no reason why the tool smithy should produce a hammer for a new builder. Actually, I can’t find a way, how to produce the requested saw. As for Atlanteans, there is a similar issue to the issue #4607 that is related to the discovery. 
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hessenfarmer
Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16
Posts: 2745  One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria |
Posted at: 2021-02-12, 15:35
Not sure whether I understand the problem. For making a saw and not a hammer for a builder the solution is setting all Tools to zero in economy settings and only have as much similar constructionsites as we have builders.
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OIPUN
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Posted at: 2021-02-12, 15:44
That is why I attached the file to show, that the strategy you have described seems not to be enough.
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kaputtnik
Joined: 2013-02-18, 20:48
Posts: 2552 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2021-02-12, 17:29
In the save game there are three builders at all:
Although there is one free builder, the toolsmithy produces a hammer with the last piece of iron. I guess what happened here is that OIPUN started to build too many buildings at once. Each construction site requests a builder, but there were not enough builders available, so the toolsmithy gets a request to produce a hammer. And this request was not reset if a builder arrived at the port and was 'free'. This was discussed here and the result was this bugreport. Edited: 2021-02-12, 17:31
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OIPUN
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Posted at: 2021-02-26, 17:18
Sorry for repeating myself. I know you are busy. Still I think, it would be great, if it was possible to play discovery also with Atlanteans. A sawyer or an iron more should be enough.
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Nordfriese
Joined: 2017-01-17, 18:07
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Posted at: 2021-02-26, 17:57
https://github.com/widelands/widelands/pull/4709
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OIPUN
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Joined: 2020-11-17, 09:34
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Posted at: 2021-02-26, 18:42
According to the link, it looks like Atlantean discovery should have 3 irons more now. Maybe I am wrong and it is just one. It is not easy to read the lines. 3 irons more would be a really easy start. I would expect 3 irons in total.
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Nordfriese
Joined: 2017-01-17, 18:07
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Posted at: 2021-02-26, 19:11
It replaces 3 spidercloth with 3 iron. But if you consider this too easy now I'll happily remove one of the irons again
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OIPUN
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Posted at: 2021-02-26, 19:31
Yes, I think 3 irons are too much. 1 should be enough. 2 are better than none :). Thank you for the changes.
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OIPUN
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Joined: 2020-11-17, 09:34
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Posted at: 2021-02-26, 19:44
And maybe what about giving one more saw to Atlantean poor hamlet. Atlanteans need a lot of logs. It takes a really long time to start with just one woodcutter. It would be 4 instead of 3 saws in total then. I have played poor hamlet also with Frisians and Amazons and no one of them has such a bottleneck. Edited: 2021-02-26, 20:08
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