Topic: Amazons balancing

OK, I will add quartz then. (at least that's already defined) Though the main appeal to me was that charcoal burners could have used it as their tool. Would you be OK with "firestone" as the name of the tool? (at least Wikipedia says flint is a form of quartz anyway)

Though then I'd make charcoal masters require an advanced "firestone" made of 2 quartz. Is that possible in a single step, or do I need to introduce an intermediate worker (experienced charcoal burner) to first require experience, then become master by getting the new tool?

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I added quartz. Most tools (the sharp ones) use that instead of granite. Not used it for dresses/armour, because dressmakery already has many inputs, and I don't think it would fit well.

I also rearranged the armours in the warelist of Amazons and moved the wooden spear to the weapons.

Starting conditions need adjusting. I've just added quartz to the "normal" ones without reducing granite, but didn't even try the minimal ones. I'd like to ask for help with determining the minimum bootstrap quantities.

I solved requiring advanced (became "selected") firestones by making them part of the buildcost of rare tree kilns.

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Hmm, OK, so let's make quartz be the equivalent of iron. That makes a lot of sense. (I made stonecutters produce it because of your suggestion.)

edit: done.

However, that would still only require 5 pieces of mined resources for full training without increasing the demand for gold, so I'd really like to keep the changes to 5 gold in total. (making it 7 mined) After all, all other tribes require a lot of coal too from mining and that has no other equivalent for Amazons. And, as I wrote earlier, the super strong last evade is another reason to increase its gold requirement. Also iron requires further processing, while quartz is immediately usable.

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tothxa wrote:

Hmm, OK, so let's make quartz be the equivalent of iron. That makes a lot of sense. (I made stonecutters produce it because of your suggestion.)

edit: done.

However, that would still only require 5 pieces of mined resources for full training without increasing the demand for gold, so I'd really like to keep the changes to 5 gold in total. (making it 7 mined) After all, all other tribes require a lot of coal too from mining and that has no other equivalent for Amazons. And, as I wrote earlier, the super strong last evade is another reason to increase its gold requirement. Also iron requires further processing, while quartz is immediately usable.

well cost of a training step depends on the needed economy and the total amount of wares to be invested. For Amazons the part of finding mountains with mineable ressources was intentioanlly reduced but with my suggestion it increases. However mining is still very expensive for Amazons in comparison because to produce one gold you need 2 coal (furnace and ration) which is 12 logs, 7 water (5 to mine 2 for bread), one cassava root, one fish/meat which is 21 wares.
Barbarians will only need 2 meat (one to mine coal and one to mine gold).
So I really think all gold requiring steps are expensive enough already.

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tothxa wrote:

Hmm, OK, so let's make quartz be the equivalent of iron. That makes a lot of sense. (I made stonecutters produce it because of your suggestion.)

edit: done.

Well I did not intent to make it the equivalentof iron for all tools and as a general build material. I really just meant to add it to the cases I mentioned.
By this all other additions like rare kilns are being superfluous imho.
Amazons were designed a tribe with not that much buildings but with requiring more of each type.

There real advantage why they were chosen by some players are that they did have rush capabilities which are widely reduced with my suggested change.
I believe we should make the change the less intrusive and complex as it could be.

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