Topic: Identify terrain

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Ron_of_Nord Joined: 2024-04-20, 22:43 Posts: 164 OS: Windows Version: 1.3 At home in WL-forums Location: Land_down_under	Posted at: Yesterday 07:19 mxb2001 wrote: Hail fellow C= ;- ) Yeah it was very tribal in those days as you recall. C= vs Atari vs Apple vs TRS, etc. I was of course sort of split due to the Atari 800 I had but I did all my BBSing on the C=128 so that's the tribe I guess I'm with! Tribal, yes, to the point of some fun pranks played on users of other systems I don't own a linux box at the moment, but I do remember the fun I had years ago installing Redhat and getting it to work on the 386-sx system I had ( with it's hodge-podge of collected parts ) mxb2001 wrote: Reading the '82 magazine I saw just how varied disk capacities were then. Each brand had a different size. The coolest thing was those 8" floppies! Wow they stored a megabyte. Never seen one in real life alas. Not as good as you think, most people though they were some sort of drinks coaster which if used that way would ruin the disk I had one plugged into my first computer, a Texas instruments TI99/4A, and had nothing but read/write problems That's why I went to the C= SX-64 with built in disk drive, didn't know at the time that 1541's had their own quirks mxb2001 wrote: "It would be nice if one could point to a node and it would tell you the % chance for a tree to grow there. Dunno, maybe that's a cheat though and we're supposed to use our Fingerspitzengefühl." Might be helpfull to new players, but it also may be on the grey side toward cheating. Brains and knowledge is always better though... *was edited by janus* Edited: Yesterday 11:30 The aussies are coming, ya ho! ya ho! Top Quote

kaputtnik Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48 Posts: 2645 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: Yesterday 17:53 mxb2001 wrote: Trees can be a pain to grow sometimes. Although it seems that there is almost a tree type for every sort of terrain and thanks to the planters being "upgraded" to plant the best tree at the best spot it's become easier than earlier versions of WL were. Still it feels like on snow you pretty much need perhaps 4 planters per lumberjack instead of two. The space 4 plus their roads would take though seems like one would get nowhere. Of course I usually remove planters roads (except for Amazons, I got hugely screwed with that until I learned they need to be connected so that they "know" what type is in demand!). It would be nice if one could point to a node and it would tell you the % chance for a tree to grow there. Dunno, maybe that's a cheat though and we're supposed to use our Fingerspitzengefühl. The only map where trees are a problem is Last Bastion imho. But this might also be intended by the maps author, i don't know Personally i am not convinced about the idea. It might force players to click around on the map to find good terrain for trees. But this information can also be misleading in case where two (or more) terrains adjoin, because then the result is unpredictable then… on the next node there might be only one terrain around (or other terrains adjoin) and the result is totally different. So to get a good idea of the chance of tree growing clicking on one node might not help. BTW: The problem of different terrains and the unpredictable chance for tree growing was a reason to implement the "Automatic Trees" functionality in the editor, which places "good" trees depending on the terrains around a node. Side note: As the intention was to implement the "terrain affinity" for trees i was against the idea. And it turned out that it produced a lot of other problems (like map authors who do not know on which terrain trees grow well). Anyway, today i think most problems are solved and having e.g. dry terrains where trees grow very bad adds a lot of atmosphere to the game. Although i am also not satisfied with some settings, e.g. trees on winter forested mountains do grow too bad in my opinion. Top Quote

Ron_of_Nord Joined: 2024-04-20, 22:43 Posts: 164 OS: Windows Version: 1.3 At home in WL-forums Location: Land_down_under	Posted at: Today 02:52 kaputtnik wrote: The only map where trees are a problem is Last Bastion imho. But this might also be intended by the maps author, i don't know Personally i am not convinced about the idea. It might force players to click around on the map to find good terrain for trees. But this information can also be misleading in case where two (or more) terrains adjoin, because then the result is unpredictable then… on the next node there might be only one terrain around (or other terrains adjoin) and the result is totally different. So to get a good idea of the chance of tree growing clicking on one node might not help. BTW: The problem of different terrains and the unpredictable chance for tree growing was a reason to implement the "Automatic Trees" functionality in the editor, which places "good" trees depending on the terrains around a node. Side note: As the intention was to implement the "terrain affinity" for trees i was against the idea. And it turned out that it produced a lot of other problems (like map authors who do not know on which terrain trees grow well). Anyway, today i think most problems are solved and having e.g. dry terrains where trees grow very bad adds a lot of atmosphere to the game. Although i am also not satisfied with some settings, e.g. trees on winter forested mountains do grow too bad in my opinion. As someone who LOVES automatic trees in the editor, I don't think much about specific tree placement when I create a map I just click 'Automatic trees' and go crazy where I need trees to be, other than that, I've learned to trust my foresters to plant the right tree so something that tells me what tree will grow where in the game itself wouldn't help anyway. So , in reality for me, it would have to be a -1 for this idea. The aussies are coming, ya ho! ya ho! Top Quote

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