Topic: Lutas' Atlanteans

I uploaded a new add-on. It is a tribe modification of Atlanteans and for those, who don't want to investigate the changes by playing, here is a summary.

1. (+) New small mines are available. They have the completely same efficiency as the deep ones but can exploit only 35% of available resources, need only 2 workers and can be enhanced to the deep ones once empty.
2. (++) Woodcutters are 5 seconds faster. Still not sure about this change. I also tried a version with woodcutters 10 and 7 seconds faster, but it was too much. I am still considering to make the forester slower again (maybe just 3 seconds faster).
3. (+) You get one log for dismantling guardhouse, not only one granite.
4. (-) There is a new training site for health – Temple. It is occupied by a priestess (carrier+tabard, maybe golden tabard would be better).
5. (-) Health can be upgraded up to level 2, so Atlantean soldiers have a 10 grade soldier training as other tribes have.
6. (+) The temple is causing that the sea around the temple (working area 13) is giving seashells, while soldiers are trained. The seashells can be collected by fishers for meat.
7. (-) Soldiers are a little bit weaker. Something between the original Atlantean soldier and Amazon soldier. Newly, training of defence pays off more, as it is expensive. First level of health is very cheap (almost for free) and while without mineral resources you are still able to train soldiers up to HE1 EV2 AT0 DE0.
8. (-) The soldier training is slightly more expensive, it costs you 2 diamonds, one tabard (corn+water) more, one iron less and one smoked fish/meat more but you get 2 pieces of meat in the form of seashells for health training back. As a compensation, you can also decide whether you will use smoked fish, meat or bread for health training.

So the changes in general should make the Atlantean start faster, you should not need so many woodcutters. The soldier strength should be more balanced (I am not a fan of different hero's strength, it somehow puts more focus on the fighting part and I do not like it). You should still be able to recruit and train soldiers in health even when you run out of fishes, you just need open water for that (I know this is not very likely to happen in a real game but should be possible). The need for crystal mines is increased, till now it was too low. Atlanteans should mine more precious stones.

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That is exactly what meant by writing "I am not a fan of different hero's strength". The Frisian heroes are simply too strong. In my strength calculation the values are as follows:

Barbarians – 29 801 points

Empire – 30 114 points

Sumatrans – 30 390 points

Amazons – 30 520 points

Lutas' Atlanteans – 31 169 points

Atlanteans – 31 660 points

Frisians – 32 679 points

So the real problem are Frisians.

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The random effects in our fighting code (especially evade) are exactly the cause why I trust more in our fighting simulator then the rough guess of the points formula.
For the current value of the tribes their statistical balance is optimised as far as reasonably possible imho.

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hessenfarmer wrote

The random effects in our fighting code (especially evade) are exactly the cause why I trust more in our fighting simulator then the rough guess of the points formula.
For the current value of the tribes their statistical balance is optimised as far as reasonably possible imho.

Evade doesn't influences wasted HPs... it only influences how many hits you need...

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The column "Hits needed" should be labeled "Successful hits needed", because for HPs wasted, I didn't need to calculate the evade value.

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