Topic: Amazon Soldier

Nordfriese wrote

IIRC, the very high evade of the fully trained amazon soldier (combined with her relatively low attack, and the resulting longer fights) was one of the characteristics of the tribe. So I would be reluctant to reduce this so drastically.

me too for the same reason. The amazons were meant as the evade tribe from their whole character. Which means their fights may last longer, but are much less predictable as well as evade is the most luck based feature in our fight algorithms. So even with hero vs hero fights you need some luck with and vs them.
So I agree to not change the original tribe at all, but I am happy with every addon that might be made to give some variety.

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hessenfarmer wrote

Nordfriese wrote

IIRC, the very high evade of the fully trained amazon soldier (combined with her relatively low attack, and the resulting longer fights) was one of the characteristics of the tribe. So I would be reluctant to reduce this so drastically.

me too for the same reason. The amazons were meant as the evade tribe from their whole character. Which means their fights may last longer, but are much less predictable as well as evade is the most luck based feature in our fight algorithms. So even with hero vs hero fights you need some luck with and vs them.

I don't understand, why everybody here is talking about evade ability and somehow illogically matches it with length of fights. That is not what evade is about. By looking at evade you can only get an idea of how many attacks will be successful. When you want to know how long a fight will be you need all 4 parameters. When there are equally strong soldiers you better look at attack. The attack is the actual reason why Frisian fights are quick and Amazon fights take so much time. By looking at attack values you can easily rank all tribe heroes in the length of fighting. By looking at evade you can't.

As for predictability, it depends what kind of predictability do you mean. If we talk about fights of different soldiers, the Amazon fights are from my point of view the most predictable, because the fights are long and the stronger soldier usually wins. But the Frisian fights are very short and every hit matters. If we talk about fights of the same kind of soldiers, then the Frisian fights are the most predictable. The soldier with the first hit usually wins. Again no evade, just length of fight (attack).

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Well,
if the evade of an amazon fighting a frisian hero is unsuccesful for 2 consecutive times, it might be over very quickly as he will have lost 2/3 of his life.
What I mean with unpredictability is that they are so luck based that you can't tell in real life how long the fights will take. Their meridian values are balanced but in a single fight you simply do not know how the dices will roll.

May be I should explain the fighting a bit more to make everybody understand the mechanics.
1. the attacker has the first attempt.
2. the algo calcualtes from a random number whether the defender succesfully evades. If he evades the attempt, the turn will change.
3. if he does not evade the algo calculates the hit strength with another random number between the 2 values min and max.
4. this calculated attack value is reduced by the defense percentage.
5. finally this reduced percentage is subtracted from the defenders health.
6. if the defender has some health left the turn changes.

I hope that helps to understand the effects of each valu somewhaut better.

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