Topic: "Northmen" Tribe Page

A few other things on my mind:

• Giving the resource salt a right to exist: The tribe could use it to purify iron (or other minerals). This would result in a completely new way how economy works since food production could compete with advanced weapon production
• I like the idea of processing water-food-production from boats. If the buildings are made of mud and need significantly less wood than the other tribes, this would be a way to give a need for wood
• The aspect of balancing is a second step (in my opinion). Yes, it is complicated. Yes, one should keep it in mind even in this early state. But not more. It's way to early to figure out any values for the soldiers attributes

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Salt for purification of iron was wrong. It is used for heat treatment for some special sorts of steel.

For "normal" alloys you take your piece of steel, heat it up to a specific temperature, hold that temperature for a specific time and then cool it down very fast (water bath). This causes your workpiece to become hard but recalcitrant. Then you heat it up again to a lower temperature for a specific time so the crystal structure changes again an the steel becomes tough (and not recalcitrant any more).

Now there are some special alloys that must not be cooled with water, because hey would get cracks. Some of them are cooled with melted salt instead and in the end you have some of the toughest iron-based materials known (HSS is a common example).

I know, this is kind of specific knowledge, but since the game does not need to give the explanation...

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I would advise against having too many resources with limited use. they may look cool in the design phase, but they are a real bother for the player, who has to remeber all of them and risks otherwise to find himself stuck because he forgot a very specific resource he only needs for a couple things. Also, they slow a lot the early game, and they significantly reduce the tribe's power in a map with little space, because of all those buildings that must be built only once. reindeer, salt, mussles, berries, mushrooms, honey, mud... some of those will have to go.

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I have made a list of all buildings, workers and wares. This is roughly what has been discussed. I hope I didn´t forget anything important.

Wares:

Log, Granite, Earth, Clay, Brick, Reet;
Water, Meat, Fish, Smoked Meat, Smoked Fish, Fruit, Honey, Grain, Bread, Sweet Bread, Beer, Mead, Ration, Meal;
Coal, Iron ore, Gold ore, Iron, Gold;
Fur, Cloth, Fur Clothes, Silver fur clothes, Golden fur clothes, Helmet, Golden Helmet;
Basic Sword, Long Sword, Curved Sword, Double-edged Sword;
Felling Ax, Pick, Shovel, Scythe, Basket, Hunting Spear, Fishing Rod, Hammer, Bread Paddle, Kitchen Tools, Fire Tongs, Needle;

Workers:

NAME            USES                    NEXT LEVEL      TRAINED AT
Woodcutter      Felling Ax
Stonemason      Pick
Miner           Pick                    Master Miner
Trainer         Basic Sword, Fur Cloth
Warrior         Basic Sword, Fur Cloth                  Barracks
Seamstress      Needle
Baker           Bread Paddle
Brewer                                  Master Brewer
Reindeer Breeder
Smelter         Fire Tongs
Builder         Hammer
Blacksmith      Hammer
Fruit Collector Basket
Berry Farmer    Shovel
Forester        Shovel
Hunter          Hunting Spear
Fisher          Fishing Rod
Landlady        Kitchen Tools
Tanner          Kitchen Tools
Bee-keeper
Reet Farmer     Shovel
Farmer          Scythe
Digger          Shovel
Scout
Clay Burner     Fire Tongs
Charcoal Burner
Fish Breeder
Carrier
Reindeer                                                Reindeer Farm

Buildings:

NAME                    SIZE        INPUT               OUTPUT                      WORKER
Woodcutter´s House      small       <trees>             Log                         Woodcutter
Forester´s House        small       –                   <trees>                     Forester
Quarry                  small       <rocks>             Granite                     Stonemason
Well                    small       <water>             Water                       Carrier
Scout´s House           small       Ration              –                           Scout
Mud Mine                medium      Ration              Earth                       Digger
Clay Burner´s House     medium      1×Water + 1×Earth   1×Clay                      Clay Burner
Brick Burner´s House    medium      2×Clay              1×Brick                     Clay Burner
Charcoal Kiln           medium      6×Log               1×Coal                      Charcoal Burner
Hunter´s House          small       <game>              Meat                        Hunter
Fisher´s House          small       <fish>              Fish                        Fisher
Reet Farm               medium      –                   Reet                        Reet Farmer
Aqua Farm               big         ???                 Fish                        Fish Breeder
Farm                    big         –                   Grain                       Farmer
Bakery                  medium      1×Grain + 1×Water   1×Bread                     Baker
Sweetbread Bakery       <Bakery>    1×Bread + 1×Honey   1×Sweetbread                Baker
Brewery                 medium      1×Grain + 1×Water   1×Beer                      Brewer
Mead Brewery            <Brewery>   1×Grain + 1×Water   1×Beer                      Master Brewer
                                    1×Grain + 1×Water + 1×Honey = 1×Mead
Tannery                 medium      1×Meat + 1×Log      1×Smoked Meat               Tanner
                                    1×Fish + 1×Log      1×Smoked Fish
Tavern                  medium      1×Beer + 1×Fruit,SMeat,SFish,Bread = 1×Ration   Landlady
Drinking Hall           <Tavern>    1×Beer + 1×Fruit,SMeat,SFish,Bread = 1×Ration   Landlady
                                    1×Mead + 1×Bread + 1×Fruit,SMeat,SFish = 1×Meal
Bee-keeper´s House      medium      –                   Honey                       Bee-keeper
Reindeer Farm           big         1×Grain + 1×Water   Reindeer                    Reindeer Breeder
                                    1×Grain + 1×Water   Fur
Weaving Mill            big         1×Fur               1×Fur Clothes               Seamstress
                                    2×Fur               1×Cloth
Seamstress              medium      1×FurCloth + 1×Iron 1×Silver Fur Cloth          Seamstress
                                    1×FurCloth + 1×Iron + 1×Gold = 1×GoldenFurCloth
Berry Farm              small       –                   <bushes>                    Berry Farmer
Fruit Collector´s House small       <bushes,small tree> Fruit                       Fruit Collector
Furnace                 medium      1×Coal + 1×Iron ore 1×Iron                      Smelter
                                    1×Coal + 1×Gold ore 1×Gold
Blacksmithy             medium      1×Log + 1×Iron      1×(Tool)                    Blacksmith
Armour Smithy           medium      1×Coal + 1×Iron     1×Basic Sword               Blacksmith
                                    1×Coal + 2×Iron     1×Long Sword
                                    2×Coal + 1×Iron + 1×Gold = 1×Curved Sword
                                    2×Coal + 2×Iron + 2×Gold = 1×Double-edged Sword
                                    1×Coal + 2×Iron     1×Helmet
                                    2×Coal + 2×Iron + 1×Gold = 1×Golden Helmet

Barracks                medium      1×FurCloth + 1×BasicSword = 1×Soldier           Trainer
HQ, Warehouse, Port, Mines etc; Military: Wooden Tower (s), Outpost (s), Wall (m), Tower (b), Fortress (b)
Training camp and Training arena

I did not think about production times and build costs yet. Everything is still open for discussion, of course. I just felt I was losing track of all the changes

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The farm radius is a typo. I meant 3 – one larger than other farms. But smaller than that would be really inefficient.

I took the "wall" from the wiki page. I think it is something like a barrier. Having instead a "Barrier" or "Watch Post" would make more sense.

As for the too many wares: I removed salt, turf and mussles; berries and mushrooms are the same ware. Is this simplified enough or are there still too many?

In the building list, I got something wrong: Reet will be the same ware as thatch reed. It will be produced by a Reed Farmer (who uses a shovel) at a Reed Farm (like barbarian Reed Yard).

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