Topic: Bugs between b21 and b22

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WorldSavior Topic Opener Joined: 2016-10-15, 04:10 Posts: 2136 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2020-07-27, 21:23 So, here a new tread for more bug reports. I'd say that it's a bug that one cannot mute messages, like "mute all no-gold-messages". For example if one plays a no metal challenge, those messages disturb all the time and distract from important messages. A small bug: The AI can still launch attacks after being defeated, while players in multiplayer cannot do that. If you play collectors, you don't see at the very beginning what the game is about and how you get points. This is a regression bug. A popup-message would not be very necessary, but at least a message would be good. The sound when you place a building should not be an "ambient sound", but a "user interface sound". Ambient sounds can be very annoying: Too much bird sounds, crickets, other certain animals... "Recruit" units spoil the general statistics (worker tab). As they consume memory space maybe they should just be replaced by carriers? And maybe soldiers shouldn't count as "workers" neither? I think that I've seen much more bugs, but it's hard to remember them all... Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

hessenfarmer Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16 Posts: 2749 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria	Posted at: 2020-07-27, 21:29 WorldSavior wrote: I think that I've seen much more bugs, but it's hard to remember them all... Ooooh no, and we spent so much work on this build to make it good Honestly I see over 400 of them on Github, But keep on reporting. Reagrding the AI Attacking when defeated this is a low hanging fruit as we just need to assign an empty AI if an AI Player is defeated. Top Quote

the-x Joined: 2019-01-19, 13:23 Posts: 967 One Elder of Players	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 01:21 But World, which kind of messages are shown is personal preference and not a bug. The only real bug we need to solve to make this game multiplayer fair fit is a fair Balance between Economy and Hero. Why? Because it puts 0 effect how you build your economy or whatever you do to optimize if later the one attack with the hero and too big healing is the factor that decides almost 100% of the outcome. If you like you can put the replays showing this. Top Quote

the-x Joined: 2019-01-19, 13:23 Posts: 967 One Elder of Players	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 01:29 One of many Ideas: Randomize who attacks, so that not an only hero can move straight to a building and defeat all lvl0. different stages aiming at more different unit types dfferent upgrades much more experience for a smithy for every stage of the game rare ressources, gold Top Quote

the-x Joined: 2019-01-19, 13:23 Posts: 967 One Elder of Players	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 01:30 The Idea with randomizing means a lot more realistic gameplay. You as well as your oppoent do not know which unit will attack, a bit like the old battlefield, where the average or the median of the army strengh decides Top Quote

GunChleoc Joined: 2013-10-07, 15:56 Posts: 3317 One Elder of Players Location: RenderedRect	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 06:37 the-x, please do not post ideas in this thread. This wastes a lot of developer time when we are managing and fixing bugs. It's already time consuming enough to align/cross-link the forum threads with the GitHub issues, and unrelated posts in bug reporting threads make this more difficult for us. Balancing discussion should also go into a separate topic. Thank you Edited: 2020-07-28, 07:05 Busy indexing nil values Top Quote

GunChleoc Joined: 2013-10-07, 15:56 Posts: 3317 One Elder of Players Location: RenderedRect	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 07:04 WorldSavior wrote: I'd say that it's a bug that one cannot mute messages, like "mute all no-gold-messages". For example if one plays a no metal challenge, those messages disturb all the time and distract from important messages. Already known: https://github.com/widelands/widelands/issues/3639 A small bug: The AI can still launch attacks after being defeated, while players in multiplayer cannot do that. Reagrding the AI Attacking when defeated this is a low hanging fruit as we just need to assign an empty AI if an AI Player is defeated. Same as https://github.com/widelands/widelands/issues/1037 then If you play collectors, you don't see at the very beginning what the game is about and how you get points. This is a regression bug. A popup-message would not be very necessary, but at least a message would be good. +1 - we should have an initial status message for all win conditions https://github.com/widelands/widelands/issues/4024 The sound when you place a building should not be an "ambient sound", but a "user interface sound". This means that you will no longer hear your ally placing buildings on the map. Is this what we want? If we do, branch is ready https://github.com/gunchleoc/widelands/tree/constructionsite-ui-sound Ambient sounds can be very annoying: Too much bird sounds, crickets, other certain animals... https://github.com/widelands/widelands/issues/3417 first and then we can reduce their probability "Recruit" units spoil the general statistics (worker tab). As they consume memory space maybe they should just be replaced by carriers? And maybe soldiers shouldn't count as "workers" neither? I must admit that I do like the eye candy. Maybe we could remove all worker types without cost there - this would make a few more units types disappear from the stats though. Busy indexing nil values Top Quote

WorldSavior Topic Opener Joined: 2016-10-15, 04:10 Posts: 2136 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 19:46 GunChleoc wrote: WorldSavior wrote: The sound when you place a building should not be an "ambient sound", but a "user interface sound". This means that you will no longer hear your ally placing buildings on the map. Is this what we want? If we do, branch is ready https://github.com/gunchleoc/widelands/tree/constructionsite-ui-sound Does that mean that you have turned the interface sounds off? Ambient sounds bother me partly so I turned them off, but interface sounds don't bother me and I didn't deactivate them "Recruit" units spoil the general statistics (worker tab). As they consume memory space maybe they should just be replaced by carriers? And maybe soldiers shouldn't count as "workers" neither? I must admit that I do like the eye candy. Maybe we could remove all worker types without cost there - this would make a few more units types disappear from the stats though. Maybe not all workers without costs - for example millers, brewers and coal burners fit well into the statistics. Recruits (and maybe soldiers) should just be further exceptions like carriers are Edited: 2020-07-28, 19:47 Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

Nordfriese Joined: 2017-01-17, 18:07 Posts: 2080 OS: Debian Testing Version: Latest master One Elder of Players Location: 0x55555d3a34c0	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 20:37 Millers, charcoal burners and the like are technically not costless – they cost one carrier. Only carriers and recruits are truly costless. +1 for omitting these from the statistics. Top Quote

WorldSavior Topic Opener Joined: 2016-10-15, 04:10 Posts: 2136 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2020-07-28, 22:17 hessenfarmer wrote: WorldSavior wrote: I think that I've seen much more bugs, but it's hard to remember them all... Ooooh no, and we spent so much work on this build to make it good It's better than good ; ) The idea is to make it even better the-x wrote: rare ressources, gold This is already implemented, because you can create maps like you want them! This allows you also to play matches were heroes aren't such a thing: Just play on maps without any gold (or at least almost)? Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

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