Topic: Fair and Balanced Start

Finally we made a new step to have balanced tribes, for multiplayer you will now see players choosing barbarians, frisians or even the Imperium. The last years in Tournaments 80% of the players played Atlantean and in every pro match you had to take Atlantean cause they were quite strong overpowered.

Please copy these two new strating conditions for every tribe. The first is "Headquarters" for a fair and balanced game between the tribes, you can also choose "Random" now for tribes and the second of every tribe is "Struggling Outpost" for a 2/3 as strong balanced start which gives pro players a challenge.

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Atlanteans

- 1. Headquarters Start

-- =======================================================================
--              Headquarters Starting Conditions for Atlanteans
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

init = {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Headquarters",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Headquarters" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with your headquarters only",
   func =  function(plr, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[plr.number].starting_field
   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      plr:allow_workers("all")
   end

   prefilled_buildings(plr, { "atlanteans_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         diamond = 8,
         iron_ore = 5,
         quartz = 8,
         granite = 50,
         spider_silk = 16,
         log = 32,
         coal = 12,
         gold = 4,
         gold_thread = 6,
         iron = 6,
         planks = 45,
         spidercloth = 8,
         blackroot = 5,
         blackroot_flour = 12,
         atlanteans_bread = 8,
         corn = 5,
         cornmeal = 12,
         fish = 3,
         meat = 3,
         smoked_fish = 6,
         smoked_meat = 6,
         water = 12,
         bread_paddle = 6,
         buckets = 3,
         fire_tongs = 6,
         fishing_net = 4,
         hammer = 11,
         hunting_bow = 1,
         milking_tongs = 2,
         hook_pole = 6,
         pick = 8,
         saw = 6,
         scythe = 4,
         shovel = 9,
         tabard = 5,
         trident_light = 5,
      },
      workers = {
         atlanteans_armorsmith = 1,
         atlanteans_blackroot_farmer = 2,
         atlanteans_builder = 10,
         atlanteans_charcoal_burner = 1,
         atlanteans_carrier = 40,
         atlanteans_fishbreeder = 1,
         atlanteans_geologist = 4,
         atlanteans_miner = 5,
         atlanteans_sawyer = 2,
         atlanteans_stonecutter = 2,
         atlanteans_toolsmith = 2,
         atlanteans_trainer = 5,
         atlanteans_weaponsmith = 3,
         atlanteans_woodcutter = 3,
         atlanteans_horse = 5,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 32,
      }
   })
end
}

return init


- 2. Struggling Outpost Start

-- =======================================================================
--              Hardcore Starting Conditions for Atlanteans
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

init = {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Struggling Outpost",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Hardcore" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with just your headquarters and very few wares for bootstrapping an economy. Warning: the AI can't successfully start from this",
   func =  function(player, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[player.number].starting_field
   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      player:allow_workers("all")
   end

   prefilled_buildings(player, { "atlanteans_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         diamond = 4,
         iron_ore = 5,
         quartz = 4,
         granite = 30,
         spider_silk = 12,
         log = 16,
         coal = 12,
         gold = 4,
         gold_thread = 6,
         iron = 6,
         planks = 30,
         spidercloth = 4,
         blackroot = 5,
         blackroot_flour = 12,
         atlanteans_bread = 8,
         corn = 5,
         cornmeal = 12,
         fish = 3,
         meat = 3,
         smoked_fish = 6,
         smoked_meat = 6,
         water = 12,
         bread_paddle = 3,
         buckets = 3,
         fire_tongs = 3,
         fishing_net = 2,
         hammer = 11,
         hunting_bow = 1,
         milking_tongs = 2,
         hook_pole = 3,
         pick = 6,
         saw = 3,
         scythe = 4,
         shovel = 9,
         tabard = 5,
         trident_light = 5,
      },
      workers = {
         atlanteans_armorsmith = 1,
         atlanteans_blackroot_farmer = 2,
         atlanteans_builder = 10,
         atlanteans_charcoal_burner = 1,
         atlanteans_carrier = 40,
         atlanteans_fishbreeder = 1,
         atlanteans_geologist = 4,
         atlanteans_miner = 1,
         atlanteans_sawyer = 2,
         atlanteans_stonecutter = 2,
         atlanteans_toolsmith = 2,
         atlanteans_trainer = 4,
         atlanteans_weaponsmith = 2,
         atlanteans_woodcutter = 3,
         atlanteans_horse = 5,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 20,
      }
   })
end
}

return init

Frisians

- 1. Headquarters Start

-- =======================================================================
--                 Start conditions for Headquarters
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

init = {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Headquarters",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Headquarters" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with your headquarters only",
   func = function(player, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[player.number].starting_field
   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      player:allow_workers("all")
   end

   hq = prefilled_buildings(player, { "frisians_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         log = 40,
         granite = 50,
         reed = 50,
         brick = 80,
         clay = 30,
         water = 10,
         fish = 10,
         meat = 10,
         fruit = 10,
         barley = 5,
         ration = 24,
         honey = 10,
         smoked_meat = 5,
         smoked_fish = 5,
         mead = 5,
         meal = 2,
         coal = 38,
         iron = 18,
         gold = 18,
         iron_ore = 8,
         bread_frisians = 28,
         honey_bread = 8,
         beer = 16,
         cloth = 5,
         fur = 10,
         fur_garment = 5,
         sword_short = 5,
         hammer = 10,
         fire_tongs = 6,
         bread_paddle = 3,
         kitchen_tools = 6,
         felling_ax = 3,
         needles = 1,
         basket = 3,
         pick = 5,
         shovel = 9,
         scythe = 3,
         hunting_spear = 3,
         fishing_net = 3,
      },
      workers = {
         frisians_blacksmith = 3,
         frisians_baker = 3,
         frisians_brewer = 3,
         frisians_builder = 10,
         frisians_charcoal_burner = 1,
         frisians_claydigger = 2,
         frisians_brickmaker = 2,
         frisians_carrier = 40,
         frisians_reed_farmer = 2,
         frisians_berry_farmer = 3,
         frisians_fruit_collector = 2,
         frisians_farmer = 3,
         frisians_landlady = 1,
         frisians_smoker = 3,
         frisians_geologist = 4,
         frisians_woodcutter = 3,
         frisians_beekeeper = 1,
         frisians_miner = 4,
         frisians_miner_master = 2,
         frisians_forester = 2,
         frisians_stonemason = 2,
         frisians_reindeer = 5,
         frisians_trainer = 5,
         frisians_seamstress_master = 1,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 45,
      }
   })
end
}

return init

- 2. Struggling Outpost Start

-- =======================================================================
--                Hardcore Starting conditions for Frisians
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

return {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Struggling Outpost",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Hardcore" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with just your headquarters and very few wares for bootstrapping an economy. Warning: the AI can't successfully start from this",
   func =  function(player, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[player.number].starting_field

   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      player:allow_workers("all")
   end

   prefilled_buildings(player, { "frisians_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         log = 20,
         granite = 20,
         reed = 20,
         brick = 40,
         clay = 12,
         water = 4,
         fish = 4,
         meat = 4,
         fruit = 4,
         barley = 5,
         ration = 8,
         honey = 6,
         smoked_meat = 3,
         smoked_fish = 3,
         mead = 5,
         meal = 2,
         coal = 18,
         iron = 8,
         gold = 8,
         iron_ore = 8,
         bread_frisians = 12,
         honey_bread = 3,
         beer = 4,
         cloth = 5,
         fur = 10,
         fur_garment = 5,
         sword_short = 5,
         hammer = 6,
         fire_tongs = 3,
         bread_paddle = 2,
         kitchen_tools = 3,
         felling_ax = 3,
         needles = 1,
         basket = 3,
         pick = 3,
         shovel = 6,
         scythe = 3,
         hunting_spear = 1,
         fishing_net = 2,
      },
      workers = {
         frisians_blacksmith = 1,
         frisians_baker = 1,
         frisians_brewer = 1,
         frisians_builder = 6,
         frisians_charcoal_burner = 1,
         frisians_claydigger = 2,
         frisians_brickmaker = 1,
         frisians_carrier = 40,
         frisians_reed_farmer = 2,
         frisians_berry_farmer = 2,
         frisians_fruit_collector = 2,
         frisians_farmer = 1,
         frisians_landlady = 1,
         frisians_smoker = 3,
         frisians_geologist = 4,
         frisians_woodcutter = 3,
         frisians_beekeeper = 1,
         frisians_miner = 2,
         frisians_miner_master = 2,
         frisians_forester = 2,
         frisians_stonemason = 2,
         frisians_reindeer = 5,
         frisians_trainer = 2,
         frisians_seamstress_master = 1,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 30,
      }
   })
end
}

Barbarians:

- 1. Headquarters Start

-- =======================================================================
--                 Start conditions for Headquarters
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

init = {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Headquarters",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Headquarters" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with your headquarters only",
   func = function(player, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[player.number].starting_field
   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      player:allow_workers("all")
   end

   hq = prefilled_buildings(player, { "barbarians_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         ax = 5,
         bread_paddle = 6,
         blackwood = 32,
         cloth = 5,
         coal = 12,
         felling_ax = 4,
         fire_tongs = 6,
         fish = 6,
         fishing_rod = 2,
         gold = 4,
         grout = 12,
         hammer = 12,
         hunting_spear = 3,
         iron = 12,
         iron_ore = 5,
         kitchen_tools = 6,
         meal = 4,
         meat = 6,
         pick = 8,
         barbarians_bread = 8,
         ration = 12,
         granite = 40,
         scythe = 6,
         shovel = 4,
         snack = 3,
         reed = 24,
         log = 80,
      },
      workers = {
         barbarians_blacksmith = 4,
         barbarians_brewer = 2,
         barbarians_builder = 10,
         barbarians_charcoal_burner = 1,
         barbarians_carrier = 40,
         barbarians_gardener = 1,
         barbarians_geologist = 4,
         barbarians_lime_burner = 2,
         barbarians_lumberjack = 3,
         barbarians_miner = 6,
         barbarians_miner_master = 6,
         barbarians_ranger = 1,
         barbarians_stonemason = 2,
         barbarians_trainer = 5,
         barbarians_ox = 5,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 58,
      }
   })
end
}

return init

- 2. Struggling Outpost Start

-- =======================================================================
--                 Hardcore Starting conditions for Barbarians
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

init = {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Struggling Outpost",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Hardcore" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with just your headquarters and very few wares for bootstrapping an economy. Warning: the AI can't successfully start from this",
   func = function(player, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[player.number].starting_field
   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      player:allow_workers("all")
   end

   hq = prefilled_buildings(player, { "barbarians_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         ax = 3,
         bread_paddle = 3,
         blackwood = 32,
         cloth = 4,
         coal = 12,
         felling_ax = 4,
         fire_tongs = 3,
         fish = 6,
         fishing_rod = 2,
         gold = 4,
         grout = 12,
         hammer = 12,
         hunting_spear = 1,
         iron = 12,
         iron_ore = 5,
         kitchen_tools = 3,
         meal = 4,
         meat = 6,
         pick = 6,
         barbarians_bread = 8,
         ration = 12,
         granite = 40,
         scythe = 6,
         shovel = 4,
         snack = 3,
         reed = 24,
         log = 60,
      },
      workers = {
         barbarians_blacksmith = 2,
         barbarians_brewer = 1,
         barbarians_builder = 10,
         barbarians_charcoal_burner = 1,
         barbarians_carrier = 40,
         barbarians_gardener = 1,
         barbarians_geologist = 4,
         barbarians_lime_burner = 1,
         barbarians_lumberjack = 3,
         barbarians_miner = 6,
         barbarians_miner_master = 6,
         barbarians_ranger = 1,
         barbarians_stonemason = 2,
         barbarians_trainer = 4,
         barbarians_ox = 5,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 42,
      }
   })
end
}

return init

Imperium:

- 1. Headquarters Start

-- =======================================================================
--                Starting conditions for Headquarters
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

return {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Headquarters",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Headquarters" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with your headquarters only",
   func =  function(p, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[p.number].starting_field

   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      p:allow_workers("all")
   end

   prefilled_buildings(p, { "empire_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         armor_helmet = 4,
         spear_wooden = 5,
         felling_ax = 6,
         bread_paddle = 3,
         basket = 2,
         empire_bread = 8,
         cloth = 5,
         coal = 12,
         fire_tongs = 2,
         fish = 6,
         fishing_rod = 2,
         flour = 4,
         gold = 4,
         grape = 4,
         hammer = 14,
         hunting_spear = 2,
         iron = 12,
         iron_ore = 5,
         kitchen_tools = 4,
         marble = 25,
         marble_column = 6,
         meal = 4,
         meat = 6,
         pick = 8,
         ration = 12,
         saw = 2,
         scythe = 5,
         shovel = 6,
         granite = 40,
         log = 30,
         water = 12,
         wheat = 4,
         wine = 8,
         planks = 45,
         wool = 2,
      },
      workers = {
         empire_armorsmith = 1,
         empire_brewer = 2,
         empire_builder = 10,
         empire_carrier = 40,
         empire_charcoal_burner = 1,
         empire_geologist = 4,
         empire_lumberjack = 3,
         empire_miner = 5,
         empire_stonemason = 2,
         empire_toolsmith = 2,
         empire_trainer = 5,
         empire_weaponsmith = 3,
         empire_donkey = 5,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 45,
      }
   })
end
}

- 2. Struggling Outpost Start

-- =======================================================================
--                Hardcore Starting conditions for Empire
-- =======================================================================

include "scripting/infrastructure.lua"

set_textdomain("tribes")

return {
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the name of a starting condition
   descname = _ "Struggling Outpost",
   -- TRANSLATORS: This is the tooltip for the "Hardcore" starting condition
   tooltip = _"Start the game with just your headquarters and very few wares for bootstrapping an economy. Warning: the AI can't successfully start from this",
   func =  function(player, shared_in_start)

   local sf = wl.Game().map.player_slots[player.number].starting_field

   if shared_in_start then
      sf = shared_in_start
   else
      player:allow_workers("all")
   end

   prefilled_buildings(player, { "empire_headquarters", sf.x, sf.y,
      wares = {
         armor_helmet = 2,
         spear_wooden = 3,
         felling_ax = 3,
         bread_paddle = 3,
         basket = 2,
         empire_bread = 4,
         cloth = 4,
         coal = 8,
         fire_tongs = 3,
         fish = 4,
         fishing_rod = 2,
         flour = 4,
         gold = 4,
         grape = 4,
         hammer = 8,
         hunting_spear = 2,
         iron = 6,
         iron_ore = 4,
         kitchen_tools = 3,
         marble = 25,
         marble_column = 6,
         meal = 4,
         meat = 6,
         pick = 6,
         ration = 6,
         saw = 1,
         scythe = 5,
         shovel = 6,
         granite = 28,
         log = 20,
         water = 6,
         wheat = 4,
         wine = 8,
         planks = 28,
         wool = 2,
      },
      workers = {
         empire_armorsmith = 1,
         empire_brewer = 2,
         empire_builder = 8,
         empire_carrier = 40,
         empire_charcoal_burner = 1,
         empire_geologist = 4,
         empire_lumberjack = 3,
         empire_miner = 3,
         empire_stonemason = 1,
         empire_toolsmith = 1,
         empire_trainer = 2,
         empire_weaponsmith = 2,
         empire_donkey = 5,
      },
      soldiers = {
         [{0,0,0,0}] = 25,
      }
   })
end
}

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Complete rubbish.

Hardcore starts are supposed to be hardcore, you have way to many starting wares and workers which make the start easy.

Headquarters is already to easy,I have renamed is easy start for newbies, cheat mode if you have played more than once. My new HQ start has no upgraded workers, you must train them, and no trainers. Upgrading workers is set to 40 or 50. Atlantians are nerfed with only about half the starting wares and no tools.

I would also help your case if you learned how to share files so they format correctly.

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Tribal-Chief wrote:

Hardcore starts are supposed to be hardcore, you have way to many starting wares and workers which make the start easy.

Also in this case, stay friendly Tribal Chief ... You can only say that from a stand alone singleplayer perspective - i dont know about your experience in playing with other players?

Therefore we also have our minumum start, indeed we only have headquarter + minimum starts at the beginning. But how can you balance a game with only hardcore or mimimum whilst the other have hq, impossible indeed.

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the x - who are you to tell me be to be friendly? As far as I see my remarks are not unfriendly, unless you feel attacked by honest comments. I feel attacked by players who want to make wl more military and less economic so I feel justified in my comments, if you are trying to add this rubbish to the core game. If you want it as an addon then feel free to make your game less about economy management.

For information, though you have no right to ask, I only ever play any game as single player, I see no point in any sort of multiplayer games, in fact I see very little point in other people at all.

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The conception of the-x is not good.

Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked

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