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Posted at: 2023-09-06, 21:06

carli2 and me will (hopefully) finish our game tomorrow evening at 18:00 CEST

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Posted at: 2023-09-07, 11:09

Nordfriese wrote:

When are you going to announce the map for round 3?

Here's another map suggestion: https://www.widelands.org/maps/plateau/

Well I had a look at all the proposed maps:
1. Plateau (suggested above) would be fine if we could introduce a barrier between the 2 halfs of the map, but I have no time to do this.
2. I would have loved to use one of the small far side mipd by @teayo but at least in the addon they are missing trees rocks and game so they are not suited in this state. maybe in the next round if @teayo might find time to add the missing ressources.
3. So I came back to Naval Ice wars from the addon. However this is very big for 2 players. So I thought we could use HQ hunter as win condition.

So if nobody objects with a good reasonm the next round will be a

HQ hunter match

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Naval Ice Wars

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Posted at: 2023-09-07, 11:38

hessenfarmer wrote:

Nordfriese wrote:

When are you going to announce the map for round 3?

Here's another map suggestion: https://www.widelands.org/maps/plateau/

Well I had a look at all the proposed maps:
1. Plateau (suggested above) would be fine if we could introduce a barrier between the 2 halfs of the map, but I have no time to do this.

I attached a modified version, please check if this would be OK for a later round

  1. I would have loved to use one of the small far side mipd by @teayo but at least in the addon they are missing trees rocks and game so they are not suited in this state. maybe in the next round if @teayo might find time to add the missing ressources.
  2. So I came back to Naval Ice wars from the addon. However this is very big for 2 players. So I thought we could use HQ hunter as win condition.

So if nobody objects with a good reasonm the next round will be a

HQ hunter match

on

Naval Ice Wars

Hm, this map seems to have a few balancing issues when naval warfare is the focus. For instance whether the port space flag faces towards the sea or towards the HQ makes a difference in how efficiently it can be defended. Red vs orange seems the most equal in this regard, but red has to expand much further from the HQ to reach the port space than orange. So which player positions do you have in mind?

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 Posted at: 2023-09-07, 16:11

I know I'm just an outsider, but to make it different from the previous rounds, I'd suggest that the HQ's should be moved inside the islands, far from port spaces on both maps. We should see the balancing when players actually have a chance to build up a strong economy before they have to fight back naval invasions.

On the edited version of Plateau it is no longer possible to invade the protected valleys from the Northern tip of the middle bay. I think the passages should be widened a little there, to require defences there too. And Plateau also needs much more coal to not disadvantage the classical tribes.

Edited: 2023-09-07, 16:23
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Posted at: 2023-09-07, 16:21

I vote for HQ hunter on Naval Ice wars, but I don't think that ochre vs red is balanced. Maybe ochre vs green is better? Red portspace is quite far from red HQ, green seems to be more similar to ochre.

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Posted at: 2023-09-07, 16:56

I admit I was not aware of the balancing issues of Ice wars for this case.
Would using the custom start position feature solve these?

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 Posted at: 2023-09-07, 17:01

Stream available on https://www.twitch.tv/carli2

beginning now

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Posted at: 2023-09-07, 17:39

hessenfarmer wrote:

I admit I was not aware of the balancing issues of Ice wars for this case.
Would using the custom start position feature solve these?

I don't recommend it because players could settle on the same island, then its not about naval....

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Posted at: 2023-09-07, 21:32

WorldSavior wrote:

hessenfarmer wrote:

I admit I was not aware of the balancing issues of Ice wars for this case.
Would using the custom start position feature solve these?

I don't recommend it because players could settle on the same island, then its not about naval....

I will forbid this in the rules. Will make the pre announcement with map, pairings start and winconditions now, but we might wait for anew version with additional fixes.

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Posted at: 2023-09-08, 09:02

Sounds good. There are still a few open PRs open that should really be merged before round 3. Once they're in I'll update the tag.

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